You know, there's this wonderful little button down at the bottom of all your posts, right next to the quote button, labelled "edit". The reason this button was created was for cases in which you misspelled something, or misquoted someone, or something similar. It's a great way to quickly fix a post.
Really? I always thought they were, but since I know about as much about religion as I do about quantum physics (which for the record: I don't even know what that means), I guess all I've ever believed in is a lie! What in God's name will I do? Anyway, were you at World War 2? There *are* historical documents on World War 2, are you to tell us that World War 2 never happened because the authors of said documents weren't present? Were you at Washington's innauguration? It HAS been recorded, are you telling me that Washington was in fact NOT the first president of the United States? Wow, everything I've ever believed in really HAS been a lie then. I could go on and on, but the basic point being that although the authors may not have been present at the events, it doesn't mean they never happened. But if you're saying that not every little detail in the Bible is accurate, then by all means, you're probably right. The sad thing is that I don't even believe in the Bible, I was just pointing out that that doesn't really prove much. But, in a way, your post does strike a thought. If the people who wrote the bible weren't at the events, it DOES mean that the events could've been stretched a bit, as does tend to happen with stories passed down. But that doesn't mean that they're entirely false.
Okay, setting aside certain insults I had in store and trying to be civil... first let me say (as much as I'd hate to defend this schmuck) that the poor boy said that the Bible was innacurate. Not that nothing happened. Not that it's a load of bull. Inaccurate. Meaning lacking accuracy. Like when you lack accuracy when playing darts, you probably won't hit the bullseye but you can still hit the board. This is something that we like to call "common sense"... which, unfortunately, isn't too common. Secondly... as far as we are informed and as far as we know people WERE there to record what had happened and those documents were copied and mass-produced to the point in which they are today (not to mention there are still people alive today that were alive during World War II). Your points are almost as lacking and absurd as mine. Game Over. Try Again? Yes No
I apologize Anime Fan Fan, I reread my post and realized it came across as a bit rude. That was never my intention, I just wanted to make a point. Hope I didn't offend you! Amon Sena: So what you're saying is that, as far as we know, people were there to record the bible? All right then, thanks for clearing that up, because truthfully I had no idea whether that was true or not. I was just going based on what Anime Fan Fan said.
No-o-o-o-o. What I'm saying is the two examples you gave (World War II and George Washington's Inauguration(sp)) were simply absurd because we are to believe that people were present and physically and directly recorded the events, verbatim,for what happened in the latter and we actually have people, living, that were present during the days of the former. I'm saying that your examples and points had absolutely no standing whatsoever against Anime Fan Fan's comment. There are BOUND to be authors of the former subject that WERE present during World War II, and something such as the latter event could've EASILY spread like wildfire, verbatim, just like the Constitution and Decleration of Independence have, so they were easily backed-up and verified. What I was saying, as well, is that what you had stated was probably correct; that he meant that not everything in the Bible is accurate. Why? Because as far as we know, no one was there for all of it. I mean, do you really believe someone talked with Adam and Eve about the whole ordeal or that someone sat down with Moses and talked to him about the Plagues or they went through the blueprints of Noah's ark with him?
Hey I was doing some research and I read about this dude named apollonius. Supposedly, he had done the same thing jesus did...you know heal people, people have "witnessed" him walk through walls and walk on water and stuff like that. ( Really, the article was so hard to read that I barley understood it but made the best of it) I think I also read that during where jesus was alive there was alot of scams and stuff like that about religion. Can some one correct me if im wrong?
I believe in God. I don't see any reason why not. I read someone's argument about this (I totally forgot who he was). Believing in God and be wrong wouldn't have any consequence. But, saying that God doesn't exist and be wrong would result in the unfortunate burning of your soul in hell. Kinda true don't you think? What would you lose for believing in God?
Because, Yugi Boy, you can't force yourself to believe in something if you truly think it's nonexistent. I mean, if somebody said there was an invisible dragon under your bed that would burn you into charred bits if you didn't believe in its magical power, would you? I'd probably just laugh. A lot. But on a more serious note, atheists don't believe in any God whatsoever, and they aren't going to change their beliefs because a crowd of people say they should or else their soul will be damned to hell. If they don't believe in hell, why should they fear it?
Well... no. I just read the question and stated my opinion about it. Put a sock in it boy. ^__^ What? A magical dragon is in my bed? OMG NO!!! I didn't ask "Why you should believe in God?", rather "What would you lose?"
That's Pascal's Wager, where he believes that we should believe in God because it is the best bet. His argument is invalid though because what if a person said "we should all believe in unicorns or we will burst into flames"? Should we then start believing in unicorns rather than face the chance of bursting into flames? There's more to God's existence and our faith than just to bet on it too. But, the truth behind God is still something I'm searching for and seems rather impossible to determine through human reasoning.
Yeah. Kagome's Arrow said something like that as well. I guess reasoning about this kind of topic is impossible. It should all just come down to faith.
Realistically, you wouldn't lose anything other then some Sunday afternoons and whatever amount of time you spend praying and doing other religious things. But while there isn't really anything to LOSE by believing in god, that's not really a valid reason to change your beliefs. After all, there's nothing to lose by believing in Bigfoot, but that doesn't mean I'm going to believe in him.
My dignity, you twit. Read the thread and you'll see what a mass murdering, hypocritical psychopath God as seen in the Bible is. Besides, what do you have to lose by not believing in Allah? Edit: It occured to me you are basically admitting that the only real reason to believe in God is due to fear. Interesting.
An objective viewpoint as well, more or less to go beyond the physical world and question if there is some kind of deity or supernatural things that we can't prove. But, I don't know how we can fully know that God exists even through a priori reasoning. There are even people who have witness God a posteriori(through their own experiece). My problem here is to figure out if their minds/or other people were playing tricks on them or what was going on.. I've even witnessed miracles myself and I'm pretty sure that I'm not schizophrenic or the crowd around me who witnessed it was. But, I can't leave out the possibility that it was a supernatural event proving the existence of God and my beliefs.
What would you lose....? Well, let me see...how would you feel to have been lied upon. To have reached for something that has never even been there. To change your life for a belief that you are not sure is true. And what have you got to lose? A life to live...thats what is lost. This is all in my opinion...
So Pascal's Wager states that believing in god can do you no harm, because if you do you will go to heaven, and if it turns out god doesn't exist then everything will just stop? This entire statement is based on a person's fear of the unknown. i thought that the whole idea about placing your belief in a religion meant you believed in it totally and without doubt, not just for personal gain in a possibe afterlife that you are afraid you might miss out on. (on a side note - if you decide to believe in god *just in case* there's a heaven, isn't that a sort of fake belief, a kind of illusion you create just to reassure yourself as to what will happen when you die? that does't seem like real belief to me.) To build on Neph's point - if this "fake belief" is the case perhaps the only reason we have religion is because we are afraid. but what about those who REALLY believe in god, who have absolutely no doubt in their minds whatsoever as to there being a heaven and hell? Perhaps something has happened to them that has such an impact that there's no doubt left in their minds as to the existence of god. So, if they have that kind of belief and follow god's teachings and so forth then according to the Bible they have nothing to fear. perhaps it's the fear of NOT believing in god that drives these people to such fanatic religiousness, but this fanaticism stems right back to fear of the unknown. Therefore i would say religion IS based entirely on fear, and those who believe entirely in god are governed by it.
It's hard to come to that conclusion based on just Pascal's idea for why we should believe in God. It's not like Pascal's Wager is the foundation and a fundamental belief of every religion.
It seems that all you guys in here don't believe in a God. Though I admit that the reason I attend church and all that stuff is partially fear, there's also something else. Ah, I can't really explain it (I tried). I have limited english. I can only go so far. :dizzy2: Any of you guys even tried going to church? Anyway, as for being lied upon... that's OK. People lie to me all the time. PS Please don't call me a twit. It makes me paritally blind for a couple o' seconds. I don't think I can read all of this thread. It has 20+ pages already.
