*frustrated sigh* okay, okay, lets say that god does exist...then how in bloody hell do we not have hard scientific proof that he is real?!?!?...and dont say stuff about him wanting to be descreet (don't know if i spelled that right^_^; and don't get all mystical about it...argg*slams head on desk* how can people follow a BOOK so blindly???? its like a bloody cult!!!how do i expect that we got here???try evolution and many many thousands of years. And how can you say that its hard for you to believe that WE exist...is it really that confusing??
Actually, Christianity started out as a cult. The one thing that allowed it to become the widely accepted religion it is today is Emperor Constantine, who claimed God allowed him to win a major battle.
I don't know everything, but a lot of mysteries can be explained using science, and I see no reason to say "Well, I don't know how it works. Must be God." I don't know how they got the peanut butter in the reese peanut butter cup, that doesnt mean God put it in there.
Do you realize how many wars there were based on just religion...? Say if there really was a god, why wouldnt he just reveal himself to everybody. Dont you think the world would be a better place if everybody had proof that there was a god. Think about it, wouldnt everybody get along if everybody knew god existed....people would fear being bad. Making it somewhat safe. If god really exists then he made an amateur mistake here....look at this world now! Everybodies at thier throats....Why doesnt god do something.....not even a sign?? Im sorry if im not making sense....lol i never do....i think :sweat:
^^ hi guys, school cuts in, so i couldn't post reply. Too much replies, so i will just cut in from here replying a few posts: In religious ways of viewing, no one before God to create him. No one created him because before him time did not exists, no there does not need to have a beginning. So God always existed in a way, because time wasn't a factor, it is he who created time. ^^'....agreed. Many ways to argue about this with science. But if you are religious in some way, yea it's true, I do think that God can answer how everything began. May be we really don't exists, who knows. You are using logic to trying to prove something that is super natural. You can't compare reese cups with God. Why don't you use a better example like, the wind and the water, how did they just appear. And oh yea, peanut butter in a reese cup is not a mystery, it's been solved. Trust me. The question is, if God really showed himself, would you believe? Some fools might still explain some of the miracle with science, but really the question is if you believe or not. It's not up to God make you believe, it's up to you to believe in him. Thats where the believe part comes in, in most of the religion, you can also call that blind faith.
No, you see, the whole point was that just because I do not PERSONALLY understand doesn't mean it was god. If he should irrefutable evidence, sure. But until then, I believe it was logical, natural things that formed our solar system, planet, life on this planet, etc.
First of all, I do beileve in God. Why does everything have to have a sceintific explanation? Face it, sceince isn't always right.
I think you're confusing science with logical predictions. PROVE science isn't always right. If I add 1 oxygen to 2 hydrogen molecules I -will- get water.
Once you think about it, if god revealed himeself to the whole world, and ovbiously the whole world saw it then u would have to believe it was actually seen. You would have to be blind to not believe....and thats where the believe part comes in. (changing topic) All this talk about armageddon and judgement day....i think its BS. Its obvious that everything ends.....everything ends. It doesnt take a genius to know that this world will rot away. And they are trying to say that this will be an act of god....
why must it all go back to "its up to you if you believe in him or not" it just comes to show that people who talk religion have nothing to back their stuff up with. Always the same retaliation :anger2: its really starting to get old. The scientific information has been given but all that it gets is some more Philosophy and things taken out of the Bible that CANNOT be proven.
Thats 'free will' for you. The abiltiy to be given a choice and being able to make one. In this case its you ether choose to beleve or you don't or in other words :"its up to you to belive or not". Its all part of the good ol human nature that God gave us. It's difficult to back it up since what we're talking about is going back about 3000 years (<--random guess). And not all scientific information can be correct. What if they were wrong and then when you read it and thats what you choose to beleve!
I will have to agree with Vicious on this one (and his post before this one) If the end of the world comes it's not going to be by Gods' habds it's going to be because Humens did it....We are the ones that are disorying the world. (I'm not a tree hugger)
So you are saying it is not right to believe in God or have a religion. First of all, it's not up for you to judge. Secondly again you are using the logical and scientific facts to prove something that is paranormal and super natural. Please don't put science and religion into the same category, because they can't explain each other. You say all the scientific evidence is true, they show facts, gives you info. What if this world was an illusion, a fantasy something that will soon fade? Is science true to you anymore? DO you still believe in science. You are aboslutely right that bible cannot be proven right, but it can't be proven wrong as well, so dont' make such an exact statement that religion and what it is base on is non sense. After all, in many of the religion, it gives you freedom to rather believe or not, you don't have to believe. Well, who the hell in the views of religion do you think created humans? obviously God. If he created us than we are his creation, if his creation destroyed the world than it is from him that we destroyed the earth.
I may have posted this before but i have read an article on how quantim physicians may believe that this life may be all a hologram. I dont know how beause it was too difficult to read...but it said that perfectly on the cover. You talked about something else in a diffenent post about wind and water...and how did they appear. Well when you think about it..we are in proper temp. for water to be created. Notice that venus is too hot to have water and Mars is too cold to even have water. We are in the perfect temp for water to be here. As for wind....i guess its something about the earths rotation.. These are my thoughts at least....
we can't use science to explain anime or fantasy books either.. but we accept that these are fictional stories man made. all that is different in the bibles case is that alot of people haven't accepted this yet.
You see, there's the problem. We have enough evidence to prove that anime and fantasy books are man made fictional story. But on the other hand, you don't have any evidence what so ever to prove that the bible is false. Critics and scientists only assumed and made hypothesis, none of them are true facts. It's not because people don't accept it, it's because you can't prove it wrong, there for it is not fictional or man made. I guess it if in the category of supernatural, because it does not belong to non-fiction or fiction.
